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Post  neon_suntan Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:15 am


Jeff Vandermeer has been busy again

The Steampunk Bible

Steampunk: Steampunk Reloaded: No. 2

And
The Half Made World by Felix Gilman

is also reckoned to be full SP goodness

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Post  James Harrison Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:22 am

Having been stung by his first Steampunk anthology I'm now wary of Mr Vandermeer. I may wait it out and see what the reviews have to say...
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Post  neon_suntan Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:24 am

James Harrison wrote:Having been stung by his first Steampunk anthology I'm now wary of Mr Vandermeer. I may wait it out and see what the reviews have to say...

Stung?

I thought it was okay...not great, but okay. having said that I really enjoyed Whitechapel Gods which no-one seems to have enjoyed Rolling Eyes

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Post  James Harrison Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:33 am

Whitechapel Gods is, in my opinion, superb. Just goes to show that you don't need dirigibles to create a ripping SP yarn.

Vandermeer's book, on the other hand, was a bit of a disappointment. Aside from introducing me to the wonders of Michael Moorcock, I felt there was very little in it of merit. I far, far preferred "Extraordinary Engines" by Nick Gevers.
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Post  neon_suntan Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:51 am

Glad you enjoyed Whitechapel Gods...

I've got Extraordinary Engines too.... as well as the very odd Steampunk Trilogy by Paul DiFillipo.

There's another compilation I've just noticed but it's only available for pre-order at the moment

Steampunk'd

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Post  James Harrison Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:01 am

Will I get pelted with rancid fruit and decaying vegetables if I say I'm awaiting George Mann's latest offering? Yes, The Affinity Bridge was terrible and The Osiris Ritual an improvement, but you see I read them as a form of teaching myself how to identify awful jumping-on-the-bandwagon literature that I can then steer clear of.
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Post  neon_suntan Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:22 am

James Harrison wrote:Will I get pelted with rancid fruit and decaying vegetables if I say I'm awaiting George Mann's latest offering? Yes, The Affinity Bridge was terrible and The Osiris Ritual an improvement, but you see I read them as a form of teaching myself how to identify awful jumping-on-the-bandwagon literature that I can then steer clear of.

I always thought that George Mann's stuff was young adult fiction marketed for adults.... it's not great literature, but far better than Leviathan *ducks pelted fruit*

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Post  Mr Peter Harrow, Esq Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:16 am

You really ought to check out Charlie Stross' rant on his Antipope blog, the backlash has begun. The problem is weak fiction like the Mann Novels, some good ideas poorly executed and a couple of bad ideas unfortunately well executed. There is also bandwagon jumping, Alastair Reynolds doesnt have to bill himself as The Coming King of Steamounk

Stephen Hunt and Mark Hodder are doing the best work in steampunk at the moment and are the most technically gifted.

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Post  James Harrison Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:38 am

Mr Peter Harrow, Esq wrote:You really ought to check out Charlie Stross' rant on his Antipope blog, the backlash has begun. The problem is weak fiction like the Mann Novels, some good ideas poorly executed and a couple of bad ideas unfortunately well executed. There is also bandwagon jumping, Alastair Reynolds doesnt have to bill himself as The Coming King of Steamounk

Stephen Hunt and Mark Hodder are doing the best work in steampunk at the moment and are the most technically gifted.

Ahh yes, I did read that. And I did largely agree with what he had to say, regarding the explosion of terrible books upon the scene. I recall we once had a thread on BG denouncing this "literature", once recurrent complaint being they're all exactly the same formula, that is, the belief that gears + goggles + airships = steampunk.

As for Stephen Hunt- I agree completely that his work stands out from the crowd. I have all four of his Jackelian novels and they're a d----d good read.
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Post  Steamblast Mary Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:58 pm

James Harrison wrote:Whitechapel Gods is, in my opinion, superb. Just goes to show that you don't need dirigibles to create a ripping SP yarn.

Vandermeer's book, on the other hand, was a bit of a disappointment. Aside from introducing me to the wonders of Michael Moorcock, I felt there was very little in it of merit. I far, far preferred "Extraordinary Engines" by Nick Gevers.

"A bit of a disappointment"?? That's putting it mildly! It almost put me off the Steampunk [literary] genre for good. Gah! I Agree "Extraordinary Engines" was a infinitely better.

I think books authors shouldn't set out to write a "Steampunk" book. They should set out to write the best book they can and if it's considered Steampunk, bonus. True of virtually all genres, and films, too.

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Post  Steamblast Mary Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:00 pm

Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to blow the trumpet of Toby Frost's Space Captain Smith books. Yes, they're silly, but they're ENJOYABLE and that's what I want in fiction!

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Post  Mr Peter Harrow, Esq Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:18 am

Charlie's blast on Antipope was the lack of serious novels of substance which Captain Smith gloriously isn't.

Charlie will be at Novacon in Nottingham on Friday there is a meet up on Friday, I will invite him along.

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Post  neon_suntan Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:45 am


I do like Charles Stross books, Iron Sunrise was excellent, but there has been one or two rather famous authors who've 'churned out' a SP book with less satisfactory results...

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The thing is SP is a new genre in terms of quantity of books compared to Fantasy which has some terrible terrrible series beeing lapped up and sold in the thousands, But where's the post tearing them down?[/Rant]


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