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Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Dandeliondream on Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:52 am

This is off topic so.....


Found this by a happy mistake,and I thought I would share.


http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/carroll/lewis/alice/alice.html




‘. ‘I’ve forgotten the words.’

teacup instead of the bread-and-butter.

‘What a funny watch!’ she remarked. ‘It tells the day of the month, and doesn’t tell what o’clock it is!’

‘Fury said to a
    mouse, That he
   met in the
  house,
 “Let us
  both go to
   law: I will
    prosecute
     you.—Come,
      I’ll take no
       denial; We
      must have a
     trial: For
    really this
     morning I’ve
      nothing
       to do.”
      Said the
     mouse to the
    cur, “Such
     a trial,
      dear Sir,
       With
        no jury
       or judge,
      would be
     wasting
    our
     breath.”
      “I’ll be
       judge, I’ll
        be jury,”
         Said
          cunning
           old Fury:
          “I’ll
           try the
            whole
             cause,
              and
             condemn
            you
           to
          death.”’



I just love this book and hope you all do too.
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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  OldProfessorBear on Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:02 am

I have split off the responses so far to a new topic:

http://sparegoggles.forumotion.net/miscellaneous-f11/a-list-of-useful-web-sites-for-period-sources-t245.htm

as this seemed to make more sense to me. On-topic followups of course should remain here..

I hope no one objects.

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Captain Lyerly on Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:43 am

Did you happen to mention Alice?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/

Johnny Depp as Dodgson/Carrol. Mia Wasikowska as Alice, but she seems to be very much "mutton dressed as lamb" for this role. Isn't Alice supposed to be about ten years old at the most? Mia looks every bit of 18, which she is at filming. Release is set for 2010.

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Dandeliondream on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:25 am

How could thay do this?!
TB is going to reck it for sure!
jonny depp for mad hatter!
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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  The Kernel on Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:59 am

I suspect we will just have to wait and see.
TB has produced some good work (and IMHO some absolute rubbish - its a matter of taste I suppose)

There was a darker side to "Alice in Wonderland", not least the sexual proclivities of the author (allegedley)
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Post  Dandeliondream on Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:45 am

I know TB had some good films,I liked charlie and the chocolate factory a lot, but I just think it will end up too dark,and become a PG13.
I at least hope he keeps the Duchess,the Mock Turtle,and the mouse.

It might not be so bad,I was upset I think mostly because of the casting, I can not stand Anne Hathaway,she is just too scratch oh I don't know, I can't think of the word,I just can't stand her!


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Post  The Kernel on Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:17 am

I think that comes down to the quality of the acting, a good actor will make any role convincing regardless of their personality.

A mediocre actor, usually one who has succeeded primarily because of certain physical attributes is just "themselves" on screen and their personality will usually overwhelm the character. This may be both positive or negative, sadly it is usually negative.

There is a quote that I half remember (I believe attributed to Harrison Ford and relating to casting feedback he recieved after an unsuccessful audition, but please correct me if I'm wrong) allong the lines of "a great actor does not look like Harrison Ford playing a delivery man, he looks like a delivery man!"
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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  watson_scavenger on Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:58 pm

If you like Alice in Wonderland you might check out The Looking Glass Wars by Frank Beddor http://www.lookingglasswars.com/home.html.
Its a very interesting take on Alice and has some interesting concepts for inventions that could be taken in a steamy way.

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Dandeliondream on Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlEAk7EDX7w

This is the first film based on the book,a strang film but it was made in 1903.

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If you like Alice in Wonderland you might check out The Looking Glass Wars by Frank Beddor

The Looking Glass Wars sounds good, I will have to look in to getting a copy.

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Prof Eumides Blakehurst on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:15 am

The remains of the 1903 film and a lot of commentary are on a DVD of Alice from the British Film Institute. The main feature is Jonathan Miller's film from the 1960s which is brilliant. A cast of the best of British, from Sirs John Gielgud and Michael Horder through to a very young, undergraduate Eric Idle in the background. And the dream casting of gnarly Leo McKern as the Dutchess.

This one brings out the barking madness of the whole story brilliantly. Still available to buy...
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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Smaggers on Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:30 pm

Oh I love Millers version. I must get a new copy, I had it on VHS and it died.

I notice Matt Lucas is down for Tweedledum/dee in the TB version, good call.
Geraldine James is always a good turn as well.

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Post  Sir Newton bridges on Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:47 am

The Kernel wrote:I suspect we will just have to wait and see.
not least the sexual proclivities of the author (allegedley)

never heard that before. what to the rumors say?

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Zwack on Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:13 am

Sir Newton bridges wrote:
The Kernel wrote:I suspect we will just have to wait and see.
not least the sexual proclivities of the author (allegedley)

never heard that before. what to the rumors say?

Seriously?

Well, Lewis Carroll made friends with lots of prepubescent girls. He also took photographs and drew naked and semi-naked young girls. However there is no evidence that he ever did any more than look at/talk to/draw/photograph them.

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Re: Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland

Post  Dandeliondream on Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:59 am

!!!!!!!!!!! No one told me this!!!!!!!
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Post  Dandeliondream on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:26 am

OK,I went on wikipedia and it is all un sure what was going on,but one of the thing said:
Spoiler:
Lebailly has endeavoured to set Dodgson's child-photography within the "Victorian Child Cult", which perceived child-nudity as essentially an expression of innocence. Lebailly claims that studies of child nudes were mainstream and fashionable in Dodgson's time and that most photographers, including Oscar Rejlander and Julia Margaret Cameron, made them as a matter of course. Lebailly continues that child nudes even appeared on Victorian Christmas cards — implying a very different social and aesthetic assessment of such material. Lebailly concludes that it has been an error of Dodgson's biographers to view his child-photography with 20th or 21st century eyes, and to have presented it as some form of personal idiosyncrasy, when it was in fact a response to a prevalent aesthetic and philosophical movement of the time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll

So it is unknown if it is true.
shocking nontheless.

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Post  The Kernel on Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:35 am

It is quite possible that he was following accepted artistic practice of the time, however viewing children as sexual objects was quite common and child prostitution was very common.
This is what prompted the sexual offences act (can't remember the date) which made sex with a girl below the age of 16 years against the law. This was primarily intended to supress prostitution so it was the man who commited the offence and hence the quirks that sex with a girl between 13 years and 16 years was legal if you married her!
Shocking to our modern tastes.
I suggest reading "The French Lieutentant's Woman" for a literary context.
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